Jawid

جاوید

(USA)

You have to save your wife and your child. This is the most important thing.

Jawid is a translator who worked with the U.S. military in Afghanistan. He witnessed military combat throughout the country for many years as joint forces fought against the Taliban. When attempting to escape Afghanistan, he was most worried about protecting his pregnant wife and unborn daughter. Listen to the story of how Jawid and his wife navigated from the Kabul airport to refugee camps abroad, all while preparing for the birth of their first child.

Q1: What is a single memory or story you remember from Afghanistan?

I have a particularly bad memory from 2015 when I was on a mission from Kabul to Logar province. We were interpreters embedded within a large convoy headed to a dangerous place in Logar province called Perak. The village of Perak has a big mountain and a road, and down the mountain from the road is a river. When we arrived there, the Taliban started shooting. Our friend Zebe was killed. The Taliban shot him in the head — his head was blown up. When your friend dies in front of you like that — it’s the worst thing ever. That’s one memory. We’ve lost lots of friends. We have good memories and we have bad memories. 

I like my job, actually. Before I started, when I imagined what it would be like, I knew: “Okay, you’re the interpreter, you will go through combat, you will shoot and fight with enemies.” But facing this in reality was something else. When you’re facing the shooting, when you’re seeing the enemies shooting at you — it’s something else.

I remember my first night in Helmand’s Sangin district. It was midnight when they dropped us from the helicopter. For a couple of minutes it was completely silent. Normal. After a couple of minutes, shooting starts. RPGs. The guns, everything. I thought to myself: Oh my god, you’re going to die here. This is your last day in the war. But there was a captain who told me, “Don’t lose your confidence. If you lose your confidence, you will die here. Take your gun and shoot the enemies. Your job is to translate for us. And right now, we’re going to the village. We are talking to the elders. This is your job. You have to come with us.”

Q2: Tell us the exact moment you decided to leave Afghanistan.

I remember it was August 15, 2021. I was sleeping. It was seven in the morning. My mentor Don Gangel called me and said, “Hey, buddy, you have to come to the airport because the situation is completely different.” I said, “What? really?” “Yes,” he said, “the Taliban captured the whole country. You don’t know about that?” I said, “No. I was sleeping.” He said, “Wake up. C’mon. You have to come to the airport.” I said, “You’re joking.” He said, “No, I’m not joking. Come on, you have to come to the airport. I will talk to the marines, and this is your exit code.” The gate pass code. “When you come to the gate, show the code for the guards and they will let you go inside.”

When I arrived, there were twenty thousand people crowded around. Lots of people. I was telling people to let me go inside and they said, “We have the documentation, so we have to go. You don’t have to go.” I said, “I do have documentation. I am an SIV [Special Immigrant Visa] person. I have everything with me.” They said, “We have it, too.” I said okay. And they said, “You cannot go. We are the priority.” I told myself: You cannot negotiate with these people — with twenty thousand people at the same time — when your wife is eight months pregnant. You have to think about her.

Then I decided to go back home. When I got there, I called my mentor again. I said, “Hey, Don, I cannot come right now.” He told me to send some pictures. When he saw the pictures, he said, “Send me your location.” I said, “Okay, this is my location.” When I sent him my location, he told me, “Okay. This is another way you can come in, and you have to try again right now.” It was ten o’clock at night. I said, “Okay, I will go right now. I will go.” My wife, she was completely tired, eight months pregnant. It was complicated. It was difficult for her and for me. I told my mentor, “Hey, Don, you know my wife’s eight months pregnant? And I have to think about her and think about my baby.” He told me, “I know. I’m fighting for you guys because if you stay, I’m pretty sure you will not have a life, because they will search for you and they will find you.” I said, “Okay.” I started moving. When I got there, there was another gate. There were fifty thousand more people. I thought, “Oh, this is complicated for me.” My brother was with me. He told me, “Hey, brother, I’m sorry. I feel so bad for you, but you cannot go inside. We have to go back.”

Then I called my mentor again and I said, “Hey, Don, I’m sorry. I cannot go.” He said to me “Okay, wait over there. I will talk to the marines and they will come outside.” I said okay. So there was another place. I get there and tell my wife, “You have to wait here, and I’ll be back.” She was concerned. She needed water. She was very hungry. I got her some water and then we waited four hours over there. Don said, “The person was there, he was looking for you.” I said “Come on, Don. There’s lots of people. I respect you. But, to be honest, I cannot stay here because my wife, she’s pregnant.” And he said, “Okay, go home and I’ll call you back.” I went back home. My father told me, “You have to stay here because your wife is sick right now.”

I was home for two days until Don called me and said there was a secret gate. He sent me the location. “You have to take a cab right now. You have to go to that gate. Right now.” It was nine in the morning. When I went there, it was ten. I waited for two hours. And Don was concerned; he said I had to stay. I said, “No, I want to go home.” He said, “You have to stay, I’m telling you.” I told him, “No, because my wife is completely done right now. I have to go home.” I took another taxi. After twenty minutes, I was near home when a sergeant major in the special forces called me and said, “Hey, Ahmad. You are Ahmad?” “Yes, I’m Ahmad.” “We are waiting in that place for you. Are you available?” I said, “Really, you are waiting for me?” And he told me, “Yeah, we are waiting for you. This is the gate.” And I had been there actually — twenty minutes before, I was there. He told me, “You have to be there in one hour. We will give you an hour, after that, we will have to go back inside.” I told my brother, “You need to talk to the taxi and we have to go back to that same place.” So the taxi driver said, “Okay. No problem.” I told the taxi driver, “You have to go faster. You have to go faster because right now the situation is urgent.” My mentor was calling me saying that I had to go. “Where are you? This is the location. This is the code. You have to go. You have to talk to them.”

When I got there, there were a lot of NDS guys, from the National Directorate of Security of Afghanistan. They were protecting the area. They were shooting. When I got there, I told them that these marines were waiting for me. And one said, “Oh they’re waiting for you? Go back. If you don’t, I will shoot you.” I said, “Okay, don’t … don’t worry.” So I made a call. “There’s a person who’s telling me if I don’t go back, he’ll shoot me.” The sergeant major on the phone tells me, “You have to take a scarf, like a flag, like a white flag. Put it up and we will come.” I said okay. So I saw that they were actually coming. And they told me, “Hey, come on, come on. We are waiting for you.” That guy from before, he told me, “Oh, I’m sorry, buddy. I’m sorry.” We got inside.

But the biggest problem was inside. When we went into the airport, my wife passed out for two hours. Because she hadn’t been drinking or eating for two or three days. She passed out. There were some soldiers. I told them I needed some food, some water. They brought me some. When she ate that stuff, when she drank some water, she was good for a couple of minutes. After that I passed out.

It was completely complicated for me because I had everything ready in my head. I was a person who was eligible for that program, the evacuation program. But I told myself, “If you stay in Afghanistan right now, the situation is completely down. I’m pretty sure you will be a person that the Taliban searches for.” Then I passed out. And then, my brother, he was there. I drank some water — I started to feel a little better. After that, I was asleep for three days inside. After three days, they took us to the airplane. We took off for Kuwait.

In Kuwait, I slept for two or three hours. I was more relaxed because my wife — she had rest on the plane. When we got inside the airplane, I talked to the marines and told them my wife is pregnant and needs a chair. And there was a chair in the aircraft. They told me that after we took off she could sit in that chair. She had lots of pain. She was getting hungry. She was getting thirsty, and she was concerned: “I need water. I need water.” And I was completely worried. This was a bad situation for me.

When we landed in Kuwait, it was too hot. She was concerned: “I need water, I need water. I have a lot of pain. I have a lot of pain.” I called the doctor over there. The doctor says that she’s dehydrated, that she has to drink lots of water. So then they took us to the camp for two or three days. In those two or three days, she had lots of pain — a lot of problems. And I thought to myself: You have to save your wife and your child. This is the most important thing. And my brother, he was supporting me a lot. And he was concerned. I said, “I’m not worrying, but I’m seeing the situation — my wife, she’s in a lot of pain, and she’s eight months pregnant. What about my baby? I have to worry about these two girls.” He told me, “You’re right actually.”  

I went to the clinic over there in Kuwait. There was a captain. A lady. She was very kind. She asked me what happened. I said, “My wife is pregnant, and she is in pain right now — a lot of pain. So if you guys don’t want to take me to the U.S., take us back to Afghanistan because I don’t want to lose my baby, and then my wife. This is the most important thing.” Then she told me, “Okay, what’s your name? What’s your wife’s name?” I told her my wife’s name, my name. Then she told me, “At one o’clock in the morning there’s a flight to the U.S. I will schedule you for that.” At twelve o’clock at night, they came and took us to the aircraft.

After that, we came to Washington, D.C., We were there for one night. Then we came to Wisconsin to the Fort McCoy camp. The people over there were nice people. The military guys helped us a lot. The police helped us a lot. The Afghans over there — the interpreters, the translators, they helped us a lot. I really appreciated that. We were there for three months. Almost four months. But then, after one month, my baby was born in the camp. Not in the camp, in the hospital. It was the 21st of October at four o’clock, 4 p.m. — 4:30 p.m. actually, I remember that time. My baby was born, and she was very happy, and I was very happy. This happened five, six days after we came to the camp. We spent two months there. After that, we came to Florida and here we have a lot of problems right now, but I’m trying to solve them.

Onboard a military aircraft, Jawid took this photo of the crowd at Karzai International Airport in Kabul in August 2021.

Q3: What is something important that you brought with you? Or what is something you wanted to bring with you but could not?

So the most important thing is my wife and my baby. My other family — my father, my mother, my brother, my sister, my brother’s wife, and my brother’s kids — are still in Afghanistan. I cannot say I wish my family would leave there because it’s impossible. My father told me, “If you want to, go because you have all the documentation in process so you can go.” And I asked my father if he wanted to go. He said, “No. I’ll stay here, because what about your other family, your house?”

I’m happy for my wife and my kid and my brother that we are here. And we are trying to solve our problems. Right now, we don’t have you don’t have anything to lift. The only thing that is left behind is my friends. Many of my friends right now are trying to get to Pakistan, to process their documentation. They already have approved SIV visas. But right now the situation in Afghanistan is that the Taliban announced that no one can leave Afghanistan without “a reason.” So you have to stay. And they are worrying about their families. Right now, the Taliban, they are searching houses. They’re searching houses. So my friends are afraid. They change their location each month or maybe after two or three months because the situation is completely bad for interpreters over there.

I don’t want to say that the evacuation is bad. It was good, but right now there are eligible people still in Afghanistan with lots of problems. We worked for the U.S. military for a long time. For a long time. We fought against the enemies. We served our country. We served in the U.S. military. I’m happy for that because they pay us a lot of money. And we fought with everything. Everything. But unfortunately, lots of people right now are stuck in Afghanistan.

The U.S. embassy, when we were in Afghanistan, they sent us something like a gate pass. You needed to show the gate pass to the U.S. guards, and they will let you go inside. So, the people, they just made a lot of copies of that thing, and they distributed it for everyone, for two thousand Afghanis. Everyone had this thing: “Look, I have a visa. See?” This is not a visa. This is a gate pass. A few guys, they received it and they shared it — this was not a good thing. Everyone is concerned about having a visa. But unfortunately, there are eligible people right now still in Afghanistan.

Q4: If you could send a message that will be heard in thirty years, what would it be?

So the most important thing is my two girls, and this is my big wish: My wife, she wants to have a good education, and she hopes I will provide the same for my girl because she deserves it and because this is the United States. Everyone has their own rights. And as a father and as a mother, we have responsibilities. This is our responsibility too. If my child, right now, has a wish, it is my responsibility to make that wish come true for her. I will do everything for them.

Jawid captured this photo at Karzai International Airport in Kabul in August 2021.

What are we going to do? What is the future? Everything was a blur. Everything was so unclear.
— Farahnaz (Canada)

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